上面的说，过敏和tnf高很大关系。

Echinacea and Cytokines
<br/>Cytokine production in leukocyte cultures during therapy with Echinacea extract.
<br/>J Clin Lab Anal. 1996.
<br/>We measured the levels of the cytokines IL-1-alpha, IL-1-beta, IL-2, IL-6, TNF-alpha, and IFN-gamma in culture supernatants of stimulated whole blood cells derived from 23 tumor patients undergoing a 4-week oral treatment with a spagyric extract from Echinacea angustifolia, Eupatorium perfoliatum, and Thuja occidentalis (Echinacea complex). All patients had had curative surgery for a localized solid malignant tumor. Blood was taken before treatment and after 2 and 4 weeks of therapy. Twelve untreated tumor patients at the same clinical stage, also after curative surgery, served as a control group. In the blood cell cultures of all patients, a rather wide range of cytokine levels was found. After therapy with Echinacea complex, no significant alteration in the production of the cytokines could be seen in comparison to the controls, and also the leukocyte populations remained constant. We conclude that at this application and dosage, the therapy with Echinacea complex has no detectable effect on tumor patients' lymphocytes activity as measured by their cytokine production.
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<br/>Questions
<br/>Can you tell me if saw palmetto or the herbal extract curcumin reduce cytokine levels?
<br/>   It appears in some studies that curcumin can reduce serum TNF-alpha and interleukin levels. We have not seen studies regarding the interaction of saw palmetto with cytokines.
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<br/>I just had a cytokine test done on my levels of cytokines, and 6 out of 8 were undetectable: IL 2,4,5,10,12,Tnf a. But IL 6 and Gamma interferon were in the normal ranges. I have long term severe CFS. Things I used to be able to take, now make me much more tired, bedridden, with a flu like mal...aise. Even things like beta carotene, vitamin A, NAC, ALA, antiviraral and antibacterial herbs, immune boosters, B12, probiotics. The list goes on. I can take Co q 10, vitamin E, PPC, PPS, Fish oil, enzymes, and other things. I don't understand why this is. One part of it that over the years, if I ever stopped taking anything, say I ran out temporarily, then, I can never take it again! Oh, and the normal CBC with Differential/Platelet tests like neutrophils, basos, WBC's etc., were all normal. So, its the cytokines I lack. Any idea would be greatly appreciated, for I am mostly bedridden now.
<br/>   There is not research enough yet to know exactly how to manipulate different ones and for practical purposes that is not as important as taking a comprehensive dietary and lifestyle changes that have an overall global influence on inflammatory markers in the body.
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Cytokine modifying biologic drugs
<br/>Humira (adalimumab), Remicade (infliximab), and Enbrel (etanercept) are rheumatoid arthritis drugs and have comparable effectiveness and safety. These biologic drugs either block or supplement immune system chemicals called cytokines. The three drugs all work by blocking a cytokine called tumor necrosis factor. Biologics, however, also have the potential for rare but severe side effects such as serious infections or cancers. Another biologic drug, Kineret (anakinra), which blocks a cytokine called interleukin-1, appears to be less effective than the other three drugs. Journal of Rheumatology, 2006.
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好久没有来了  最近回娘家了   安逸呢

悠游~~ 发表于 2012-10-12 13:52
<br/>new，补充一下，我在省医试管移植了三次，一次没着床，一次生化，一次胎停空囊，目前是清宫20天左右，我在 ...

<br/><br/>我也是试管前查出桥本的。移鲜失败。现在也不知道该怎么办。

非有爱 发表于 2012-10-14 23:01
<br/>我也是试管前查出桥本的。移鲜失败。现在也不知道该怎么办。

<br/><br/>桥本有没有治疗？我TSH目前正常，t4偏高.

悠游~~ 发表于 2012-10-14 13:46
<br/>我后天去中二看张了，我预计他会给我打封闭，我现在又吃激素、阿和帕夫林，不知道可能对查TNF和毒性有些 ...

<br/><br/>是呀，看了张再说，不过张关注是nk数量，他大约不管tnf之类的。

心酸的草莓 发表于 2012-10-14 13:56
<br/>好久没有来了  最近回娘家了   安逸呢

<br/><br/>好呀，放松，说不定就怀上哟。

下周一去中山二查输卵管，期待着。

今天拉丝了。月经11天，　但奇怪，b超说我没卵泡，难道已经排了吗？